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The following pages were proposed on Wikitravel:Destination of the Month candidates, but the consensus was generally against them. Beneath each proposed article are the objections that need to be addressed. Once this has been done, feel free to nominate them again.
A small, car free village set below the jaw-dropping Matterhorn is what Zermatt is. One must take a train or a helicopter to get here in the first place, but is it ever worth it. The truth is, there are many tourists here, but the fact that is isolated, picturesque, and has a very complete article makes this a very viable option for OtBT.
Not yet. This article has enormous potential (it's a great destination) but needs a great deal of de-touting and MoS work. "See" and "Do" both need a great deal of expansion, and details are needed on lodging -- without external links. I'd love to see it put into shape that we can consider it for OtBP, but it's a long way from that point. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:36, 30 November 2007 (EST)
Was nominated a while back, but put in the slush pile with a few objections. I have made the required changes to it and figured it could go back onto the list. We definately shouldn't put this as the dotm outside of the summer... it rains alot in Ireland. The article could do with a few more pictures, but it is more or less ready as it is. For previous objections, see why Belfast got slushed. Tim 11:34, 14 August 2006 (EDT)
Support, with reservations; "Eat" and "Sleep" are still pretty thin for a major destination. The rest of the article is in good enough shape, and these two sections at least have some entries that would help a traveler, but improvements would still be appropriate. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 08:48, 15 August 2006 (EDT) I withdraw my support. There are a number of MoS issues, and some "tout" problems have started to appear. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:51, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
It's an interesting city and would be perfect for spring 2007. It may need some more content for the districts but more or less it's complete. Jan 05:20, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
Support, but alot of the info needs to be filtered down to the districts, with links to it from Berlin. Tim 11:39, 14 August 2006 (EDT)
- I started a little to bring it into the boroughs but I guess that maybe we creat some sites like Berlin nightlife because it is much more helpful than break too many things in the boroughs. Jc8136 05:30, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
Support. Kingjeff 22:05, 14 September 2006 (EDT)
Contentwise it's there, but this is going to need quite a lot of work to bring it back inline with the Manual of Style... Jpatokal 00:32, 1 February 2007 (EST)
I think that it needs quite a lot of work to put the info into good district articles. I'll try look for an alternative -- DanielC 16:37, 2 February 2007 (EST)
Oppose, as long as those editorial exhortations to move content to district articles are there. If the job isn't done by the middle of the month, then this needs to get removed from the queue. — Ravikiran 13:12, 5 February 2007 (EST)
Do not support. Just too much work remains to be done, as has been true for quite a while. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:13, 6 February 2007 (EST)
The UK's second city, shopping mecca and apparently more miles of canal than Venice! It's a comprehensive article and there are good maps. Could do with a bit of an MoS finetune and some more photos, but the core material is there. I would suggest that the summer months would be the best time to visit the city (this is due to the obvious issue with the good old English weather in every other season) -- Tim 06:12, 29 October 2006 (EST)
Close, but not quite ready yet. More than a "bit" of MoS work needs to be done, lack of photographs is a shortcoming, and if the place "could not be described as a city full of tourist attractions," the "Get out" section should definitely be expanded. Resolve these issues and I'd vote for it; the hard parts (content, maps) are up to standards already, so getting it into shape shouldn't be hard. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 19:33, 24 November 2006 (EST)
Fair points. I shall nominate this for CotW and we'll see how that sorts things out. -- Tim 07:26, 26 November 2006 (EST)
- Don't support - the 'Sleep' section is too thin for a city of this size, though will support if this can be corrected. WindHorse 01:31, 1 February 2007 (EST)
Don't support. I agree that the "Sleep" section needs a lot of improvement. -- DanielC 16:10, 2 February 2007 (EST)
One of the most important square kilometers on Earth! Comprehensive article. Central to Judaism and Christianity, whilst being important in Islam. Great all year round but could fit in well with Christmas time - December in particlar for obvious reasons.Flymeoutofhere 09:36, 9 April 2007 (EDT)
- Not yet, it's got a little work. First, I'd like to see more photos (my personal preference is to get a some images of off-the-beaten-path sights), but another problem is that for many listings there's no address or directions. I'd be especially interested in contact info for a lot of the churches and such too. The article also should list a few internet cafes. Regarding December time slot, wouldn't Bethlehem make more sense? I think if this article is chosen to be a DotM to display it in month of Nisan (preferably when Passover, Good Friday, and Easter) would be ideal since travelers could then experience Jewish customs and Christian customs. -- Sapphire • (Talk) • 02:21, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
Do not support. I really like the idea of getting Jerusalem into shape for DotM, but the whole city, not just a district, should be the DotM, and it's not there yet. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 10:03, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
Largest city in the wonderful world famous English county of Yorkshire. Has won a host of tourism awards recently including UK Visitor City Of The Year, UK Favourite City, Best City for Clubbing, Most Female friendly city. A host of attractions from museums, countryside, shopping and nightlife. This article is fantasticaly in depth now too.
Do not support -- yet. There's a lot of excellent content in this, but it has three serious problems. Several sections are quite out of conformity to the Wikitravel:Manual of style. A tendency toward touting has also crept into some of the text. Third, and hardest to remedy, the lists of attractions are so long and cobbled-together that they're hard to follow. Some way of reorganizing the content needs to be found, so that it doesn't read like a laundry list. All of these objections can be overcome, and I'd gladly change my vote if they were, as the amount of effort that has gone into this article is impressive. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 12:33, 29 December 2006 (EST)
Do not support. There is probably too much information, the listings need addresses / phone numbers and the district articles are thin. -- DanielC 16:20, 2 February 2007 (EST)
It looks like someone tried to nominate this but had syntax problems. I've fixed them so that we can give the article due consideration, but I strenuously oppose using the article as DotM. It's not even close to the standards we require. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:51, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
A very good guide. Best time is summer I presume. -- DanielC 16:39, 5 February 2007 (EST)
- There's an ongoing debate on Talk:Montreal about districtifying the city, so it might be best to wait until that's sorted out. Jpatokal 00:02, 6 February 2007 (EST)
- Agree with Jani. Montreal is a great city that should be DotM at some point, but the district issue really needs to get settled (and has been pending for a long time). In my opinion, districtifying is necessary -- there's altogether too much interesting stuff in Montreal to lump into a single article -- but who will bell the cat? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 15:30, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
- The districtifying is now in progress, but this is still not ready. Any objections to slushing it again, until the districts are all in shape? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:02, 27 October 2007 (EDT)
Fantastic content on a perennially underestimated city, with "Get out" links to several of the innumerable great-outdoors destinations of the region. The only shortcoming is a shortage of imagery, but that can be remedied. Suggested for August 2007. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:11, 3 December 2006 (EST)
- Support, on the condition that some decent images can be dug up. Jpatokal 22:22, 1 February 2007 (EST)
- Support, although could do with a couple more photographs and telephone numbers for the "eat" items. -- DanielC 17:05, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
On thinking about this one, I think it might be best to postpone it until the imagery is in better shape. Furthermore, Albuquerque is looking like an absolute gem for October, and three United States DotMs in a row would be a bit much. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 14:25, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
Bump. The image problem still hasn't been fixed. This isn't a bad article, and would be a viable DotM in harder times, but I think it may be better to put Zion into this slot (and Albuquerque in September), leaving this one open for inclusion next year -- if we can dig up some photos. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:50, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
- Agree. The sole drab image does nothing to enhance the article, so like Bill says, maybe defer until a few good images can be found. That would place Zion in the August slot and Albuquerque in the September one....two US sites in a row. How about Zion for August, Hiroshima for September (they might get a typhoon or two, but they are passed in half a day) and Albuquerque for October? I'll rearrange in that way and then gauge the reaction WindHorse 10:21, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
- Maybe Albuquerque should be moved into the October slot, since that's when the Balloon Fiesta is happening. But Zion for August? Too hot. Can we push that into September, when it's cooler? PerryPlanet 19:06, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
Québec is unique among tourist destinations. Its French heritage sets the province apart, and it is one of the only areas in North America to have preserved its Francophone culture. Its European feel and its history, culture and warmth have made Québec a favourite tourist destination both nationally and internationally. —The preceding comment was added by Bonjour Quebec (talk • contribs) .
- Oppose
The article reeks of racist implication that is of no interest to a vistor. I think most of the article needs to be deleted and one needs to start over and address the interests of a visitor and scrap the information on racist differences, who cares except the residents and it appears they need to grow up. Mention the differences and go on. 2old 15:14, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
Do not support -- to put it mildly. I will give the nominator the benefit of the doubt and assume good faith, in which case this is a complete, if well-intentioned, misinterpretation of what a DotM needs to be. This article isn't close. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 15:51, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
Do not support - not at all according to our manual of style. Unfortunately User:Bonjour Quebec who is the nominator and did a lot of work on the article does not reply on his/her discussion page. --Flip666 writeme! • 16:16, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
Do not support - the Quebec province articles are generally not in good shape, and my impression is that their quality dismayingly has been deteriorating, rather than improving. --Peter Talk 19:16, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
Oppose - I would love to see Quebec a DotM, but the article isn't there yet. As a side note, I'm still trying to contact someone at Bonjour Quebec to a)verify the identity of the user using that name and b)discuss how we can collaborate according to our Wikitravel:Goals and non-goals. Maj 23:48, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
Would anyone object to slushing this one? The consensus seems overwhelmingly clear... -- Bill-on-the-Hill 23:02, 5 August 2007 (EDT)
No objection here. It's not ready to be featured. Gorilla Jones 23:07, 5 August 2007 (EDT)
It will be very difficult to find anything more off-the-beaten-path than this place. And it surely makes an amazing trip. User:Guoyifan 05:21 20 February 2007 (EST)
CotW which has been hugely improved. Very good article. Could do with a better map and more info in a few more districts. Not exactly sure when to put it, maybe summer 2007? Tim 15:45, 14 August 2006 (EDT)
Districts are a bit thin, the airport is a nightmare for any traveller but might be good for late summer 2007. Jan 05:42, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
Support with a caveat: this is one of those Pattaya-style articles where the content is great but the formatting is a little eccentric to say the least. I fixed up the biggest booboo (Get in stuff in Get out), but this could still use some more work. Jpatokal 22:30, 1 February 2007 (EST)
- Luckily, this is one place that I can actually do something about. I hate the fact Pattaya reads like a yellow pages or a paper of random listings and useless services that shithole motels hand out to guests. I'm not going to let that happen this article so I do not support until we make a real attempt at it. I'll do my part. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 22:40, 1 February 2007 (EST)
- Don't support - ditto Sapphire's comments. WindHorse 23:05, 1 February 2007 (EST)
Oppose. If you start looking at it closely after the (far too much) travel info, it has far too many districts and then areas labelled as districts that then link to (unique to Warsaw) walking tours. The main district article - Warsaw/Srodmiescie is really just a long list. This is an idiosyncratic work that I don't think we should be promoting. -- DanielC 15:30, 5 February 2007 (EST)
Do not support. Really needs MoS-based overhaul. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:14, 6 February 2007 (EST)
I don't support this either anymore... It could almost do with going in for another CotW to sort out the MoS problems.--Tim 11:28, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Support. I was working hard on this article last September to improve it (independently of this nomination, in fact I've found out about it only now) and I'd be delighted to do everything I can (provided I have the time) to make Warsaw a well-written, informative and helpful article. I see some people have objections to this nomination and it's great, because it means you have read the article and know its weak points. Could you please take a minute or two explaining what exactly needs to be improved, on the article talk page? The reason I'm asking for this is that I'm afraid I don't fully understand what the problem is ("Pattaya-style"?). CandleWithHare 15:58, 2 March 2007 (EST)
- Also, please remember the style rules were different at the time most of the article was written and if something isn't explicitly stated in the rules it doesn't mean it's prohibited, so the question that should rather be asked is whether something is reader-friendly or not. CandleWithHare 15:58, 2 March 2007 (EST)
- Generally, style policies have not changed much, though, there have been some small changes. My attempt to fix and remove a lot of the crap no one would really use was reverted by you, now you'll understand why it needed to be deleted, and I suspect that we'll just end up deleting the same stuff, if not more. The toilet information needs to be deleted. I moved it to the Poland guide, though an explanation of square v. circle could still be used there. No one needs to know all of the major hypermarkets on the Warsaw guide. If it's really important, then we'll put it in the districts, which is what policy requires.
- Also, we don't need:
Ice-skating
Bowling
Climbing
Cycling
Golfing
Shopping malls
Hypermarkets
Consumer electronics (Wikitravel isn't a catalog!)
Antiques
Provisional-now-permanent
- Pattaya is bad article because it's the type of thing that a shithole motel gives out to it's guests so they can go and get pizza from Pizza Hut, or whatever and Warsaw (and it's districts) are taking this route. If there is some potentially useful information it's need to be removed to the proper district. A major rewrite is needed too, but that can come last, in my opinion otherwise we'll probably end up where we began. -- Sapphire • (Talk) • 16:16, 2 March 2007 (EST)
- Ooi! I think almost all of those are useful information, although you should pick a few noteworthy shops/facilities, not list the whole lot. Travellers do go bowling, climbing, cycling, golfing, and shopping, although more probably for antiques than consumer electronics. (At least in Warsaw; the reverse would be true in Hong Kong.) Jpatokal 23:56, 2 March 2007 (EST)
- I believe it's spelled "Oi". Anyhow, you're right that most of it can be useful, but we need to give an very fine grained overview and shuttle off most of the info to the districts. The Russian Market, as an example does require a mention in the top-level guide, but the nitty gritty details belong in the districts. -- Sapphire • (Talk) • 00:04, 3 March 2007 (EST)
Candle, "Pattaya style" was a reference to how Pattaya had turned into a yellow pages directory, listing absolutely everything that there was possibly to see or do in the place, rather than being a focused and discerning travel guide pointing travelers to just the best and most relevant things. If you're interested, go back into the history on that article and look at it before Sapphire and I started deleting some stuff [or even now, it still needs help ;) ]. Anyway, I would also propose that we delete the 1900's picture and the Emblem of Warsaw pic, which are more appropriate for Wikipedia than here... photos in the articles, I think, should just be ones that aid the traveler by giving a good impression of what to expect when traveling there, anything else just clutters the article... btw, you did a great job on the Warsaw way back when, it's good that you're around again now to help us perfect the article and bring it even more in line with the Manual of Style and the current ideas of good Guide articles - Cacahuate 03:02, 7 March 2007 (EST)
- Thanks for the explanation, I get it now. Indeed, I didn't take into account that the article may get too long in the process of improving it :) So, what are we getting rid of first? I agree about the toilet stuff -- personally, I've never understood the peculiarities of the alleged public-toilet problem in the city I live in, but as people keep adding such information, I always thought there was some need for it, with websites such as this one emerging around the world. I also agree about the old photo, which is useless, but it was around before I started meddling with the article, and I was generally unwilling to remove stuff. As for the emblem, I only added it because it occupies the place that would otherwise be empty anyway (at least that's how things show up in my browser). CandleWithHare 12:42, 7 March 2007 (EST)
Fairly complete article. The only problem I really see is a lack of photos, but if I ever get my film developed I can solve that problem. Time format should be MoS'd (I have a hard time reminding myself to do civilian time). Also, I didn't include a whole lot of info for the descriptions of listings, but I'll dfix that in a few days. I thinks some of the strong points are: the "Get in" info, the abundance of nightlife, and the diverse cultural aspects of the city (you have Middle Eastern/Lebanese, Asian, Italian, African neighborhoods all within several minutes of each other).
I'd suggest making this DoTM for summer '07 or early fall. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 03:36, 2 December 2006 (EST)
I'd support this providing the issues Sapphire mentioned above are addressed. I'd also like to see an understand section, more info in get around and at least a few listings in budget sleep. If that gets done it'll be a nice article. -- Tim 04:47, 2 December 2006 (EST)
A problem I see with this is that, while the Windsor article has lots of good stuff, Windsor as a destination is dominated by that city across the river -- and its article still needs serious work despite its "Guide" status. Some discussion of how to handle DotM candidates along national borders, with matching cities across the border, might be appropriate before proceeding with this one. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:30, 3 December 2006 (EST)
- OTBP is an option too, but it's not exactly off the path. I suggested summer 07 because looking over I'm not as happy with the article as I thought I was and in a few weeks I should whip this in shape. -- Andrew (Sapphire)
Support for OTBP, because iit's not one of the main destinations in Canada (and I've never heard of it!) - DanielC 16:13, 2 February 2007 (EST)
- Aren't all destinations in Canada OTBP... by definition? :) But seriously, Detroit/Windsor is Canada's busiest border crossing, and one of the busiest in the world. Just about anyone driving into Canada from the U.S. Midwest goes through Windsor. To say nothing of its popularity among 19/20-year-olds and strip-club patrons throughout Southeast Michigan. -Todd VerBeek 16:14, 5 February 2007 (EST)
- Since this one is in the gray area between DotM and OtBP, I suggest we consider it a "utility" destination to plug into whichever of the two is more in need of candidates. At the moment the DotM list is actually more sparse than OtBP, so how about we use it for the August DotM (Portland still being short on photos) and look for a different August OtBP? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 14:49, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
Support - clean, simple article - summer best for feature? WindHorse 19:34, 2 February 2007 (EST)
The current blurb does a really bad job of selling the destination (automobile industry? near Detroit?), and the article doesn't have anything better. Could somebody who knows the place better come up with something nice/interesting? Jpatokal 01:35, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
- I took a stab at reorganizing the blurb based on available facts. However, it is still not very appealing. I reiterate Jpatokal's appeal for someone familiar with the city to add fresh and interesting info. WindHorse 02:11, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
Potentially don't support – So maybe I'm chiming in a little late in the game here, but how did this make it so far in the first place? I appreciate that the article covers the destination so well, but it's still sounding like a thoroughly uninteresting place, and I'm not convinced that it's one of the 2 articles that should represent the site for an entire month. A park along the river with views of Detroit and drunk-ass 19-20 year old Americans with but-her-face strippers in their laps are the main highlights? No thanks. When I think of OTBP it conjures up images of quaint little cities or far off villages just waiting to be explored and uncovered – not busy border crossing towns. Sorry to throw that out there so last minute, but are there any alternatives? – cacahuate talk 02:32, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
- Yeah, it is not a great destination, but there is no substitute in the nomination list at present. I'll enter Jakar in Bhutan for consideration as a possible alternative as this a summer only destination. WindHorse 02:43, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
- Sado Island has been nominated as an alternative destination to Windsor. See below. WindHorse 04:53, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
Just throwin' it out there... can't get more OTBP than that... and the article's pretty comprehensive, considering the limited options... and I'm in love with the new opening picture... OR... should this wait a couple/few years until there's a little larger # of people going up each year? – cacahuate talk 01:08, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
- At first I thought this was a little ridiculous, but I'm rather pleasantly surprised by the article. I mean there's off-the-beaten-path, then there's absurd. Some of the options listed in the guide are surprisingly cheap and with a little savings someone like me – trying to get into college and working a job at a restaurant – could actually participate in. If I hadn't actually read the article I'd be ignorant about those options.
- However, the thing that sold me is that the understand section is very, very eloquent, which we often lack in our guides. I think this would be the perfect DotM/OtBP candidate, especially as it highlight and exemplifies some of our goals and philosophies, which can never be expressed by our other guides. Support -- Sapphire • (Talk) • 05:08, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
- Support. Nowhere is cooler than the space! Guoyifan 12 April (EDT)
Actually Space can be very hot as well. :) Support. No hurry to feature it; it's not going anywhere. - Todd VerBeek 12:24, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
Do not support -- yet. Cute idea, and well-done article, but too many offerings in the article aren't presently available no matter how much money you have. When Virgin Galactic, etc., actually start offering trips rather than just promising them in the future, I'll reconsider. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 20:52, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
- Yeah, good point Bill. I suppose it would also suck to feature it now, and then when things are really rockin' up there not want to feature it again. Waiting might be good. – cacahuate talk 23:08, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
- So let's provisionally slot it for June 2015 - 2020, in case NASA starts taking people to the moon. I say June because that seems to be when the weather permits shuttle launches. -- Sapphire • (Talk) • 23:13, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
- Don't plan on seeing any Shuttle launches in 2015; those birds will be 23-31 years old by then, and fit for museum display only. - Todd VerBeek 09:39, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
- Well, supposedly they don't want to send shuttles to the moon, but something closer to the Apollo modules. Plus, the current birds are going to retire in 2010, then we can all go to Dayton and see them up close and personal. -- Sapphire • (Talk) •
- I though the Toyota Prius was being modified for moon launches, no? – cacahuate talk 11:15, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
"Known for its colonial architecture, which although decaying, remains an almost unique example of a 19th-century British colonial capital." A good number of sights, hotels and eateries listed. An interesting guide that has info about history, as well as stuff about staying safe/healthy. November to January is a good time to visit, so maybe a candidate for the empty December or January slots. -- Tim (writeme!) 15:50, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
Do not support. Yes, it's an interesting article, but according to Wikipedia, this city has a population of nearly 5 million, and the coverage is awfully sparse for a city that size. (Incidentally, I'd also consider it more DotM material than OtBP for the same reason; it certainly isn't off the "Asian" beaten path.) I'd be willing to consider changing my vote if someone could make a convincing case that the coverage really is comprehensive despite the size of the city, but to actually get me to change it would also require a bunch of MoS work -- hours and locations for attractions, restaurants, etc. It's all doable, though. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 19:15, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
Do not support, partly due to MoS concerns, partly given the recent unpleasantness. Jpatokal 06:37, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
Do not support. Travel to Burma is an inherently political act and, by highlighting Yangon anywhere, wikitravel will take a side in the 'go nogo' battle. Best to let the reader decide. Also agree with Bill-on-the-Hill's comments about the sparseness of the page (the see section is pathetic, nothing confirms to the MOS, etc.) and am trying to fix some of that but, even if the article were a star, I would be against featuring it.--Wandering 14:38, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
Comment: I don't think politics in themselves are a valid reason to object to a destination, or are we going to rule out ever having a DotM in, say, Israel or Iran? Actively dangerous destinations should of course be avoided, but I think things have quieted down enough now that I withdraw my objection on this ground. Jpatokal 22:21, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
Agree about the politics; if the "unpleasantness" creates problems for the traveler, that's a consideration, but political statements aren't a reason to push or reject a destination. My other reasons for opposing this nomination remain, however. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 12:48, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
The point is that pushing Yangon as a destination is itself a political statement. I don't think the situation is the same as in Israel (a democratic state albeit with some issues) or Iran (also a kind of democracy albeit with a bit more than some issues!). Having a good guide for Yangon is one thing but featuring it as a destination feels, IMHO, a bit dirty. Anyway, I'll plug away on the Yangon page regardless.--Wandering 13:47, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
- I kinda agree with Wandering - whether or not to go to Myanmar has been turned into a rather large moral question, and us putting it on the front page looks like we're saying yes. I wouldn't fight hard not to feature a Myanmar destination, but I would like everyone to understand that, if we do, it is definitely making a political statement, intentional or not – cacahuate talk 14:53, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
Bad Reichenhall would be good for the summer.Kingjeff 13:59, 11 Feb 2006 (EST)
Do not support. No pictures, no map, no explanations or contact info for the very long laundry lists. Whoever called this a "Guide" was being awfully generous. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 10:13, 15 Feb 2006 (EST)
In your opinion, what status should it have? Kingjeff 17:34, 15 Feb 2006 (EST)
Usable, for reasons I give on your talk page. Definitely at the upper end of Usable, but more is needed before this qualifies as a DotM. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 19:47, 17 Feb 2006 (EST)
Self-nominated by Professorbiscuit 08:22, 11 Oct 2004 (EDT).
This is really nice. I think I'd like to see a little more content, or maybe it's not as big a city as I think? Is there any month that would be specially good? I don't know if November is a great time to visit, or is summer better?
The "Do" section is a bit light, and some items from "See" should probably be moved there. Once that gets done this seems like a great article. -- Ryan 03:37, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)
Done.Tim 11:27, 14 August 2006 (EDT)
Needs to be rated. kingjeff 00:30, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)
Done.Tim 11:27, 14 August 2006 (EDT)
Adding back into Detination of the Month Tim 11:27, 14 August 2006 (EDT)
Added to the slush pile because this was nominated despite having been previously featured in 2005, and the nomination criteria specifically states that a destination should not be featured twice:
Cape Town is a very interesting city that is perfect to visit from November until March (summer) and therefore dits very good for December. The article is ok and it's an African destinations that everybody wants to go too! Therefore I would like to nominate it for december. Jan08:29, 20 June 2006
Already featured back in September 2005. — Ravikiran 08:53, 20 June 2006 (EDT)
Agreed, we really can't do this one again (at least not until everywhere else in the world has been featured once...). -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:23, 20 June 2006 (EDT)
Well-constructed article on an important city, with good balance between main article and districts. (Some of the district articles could use some work, but there's time, and the totality of the articles is still excellent.) Plus, this photo just absolutely demands to get put on the Main Page! -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:23, 29 June 2006 (EDT)
The article needs some work. The districts are ok but the main Copenhagen pages lacks big chunks (Sleep, Drink, Cope, Learn). It should be better before a Cotw to get the formatting and content things done.-- Jan 12:13, 4 July 2006 (EDT)
A very good guide article, also includes a couple of maps. -- DanielC 08:42, 3 May 2006 (EDT)
I don't think it's quite ready yet. There should be some work to reconcile "Do" and "Get out" -- the latter is content-free at the moment apart from a somewhat garish map, while the former has lots of stuff that seems to be rather remote from the city. Shouldn't be too hard to fix that, though, and it's otherwise a nice article. One thing: is it DotM or OTBP? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:44, 3 May 2006 (EDT)
The "garishness" of the Get Out map can be fixed easily enough with a less saturated background color; otherwise I kinda like it. Flores does seem a bit OTBP to me, being neither large, famous, nor in a heavily-visited region. And since one of its main attractions is nearby Tikal, I'd like to see that built up (the article, that is, not the site) before featuring Flores.- Todd VerBeek 10:40, 3 May 2006 (EDT)
- I've moved most of the "See" items to "Get out", but I tend to agree with Todd that it is probably worth waiting on this article until the Tikal one is improved. I also thought that it may be better as a OTBP destination, but thought that as the base for the main site in Guatamala, it was difficult to say that it wasn't mainstream. -- DanielC 16:03, 4 May 2006 (EDT)
Graz is good for January because of the ski resorts. Kingjeff
Several of the listings need to be updated according to the Manual of style. The info in the article looks good though. -- Ryan 03:06, 26 Dec 2005 (EST)
Needs article status and more info as mentioned above. Kingjeff 00:44, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)
Good article that will need a bit of MoSing, as some info is in the wrong sections. The Understand needs to be split up into climate/fauna etc. Having said this, the info is there and a CotW would sort it out. Possible candidate for Feb 07? It is also an African article, and we haven't had an African DotM since September 05. Finally, having this as DotM might also draw a few editors down to South African articles so we can get some more info into them! -- Tim 06:55, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
Whoa! This still needs quite a bit of work -- sections are unpopulated, key contact info is missing (and may be hard to get), and so on. Also, there needs to be discussion as to whether it's DotM or OTBP. I'm in favor of getting this into usable shape, for all the reasons you cite above, but it first needs to be improved to where it's ready, then scheduled into the appropriate slot (more likely OTBP than DotM, IMHO). -- Bill-on-the-Hill 08:48, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
Agree with Bill contentwise, but I do think this (just) qualifies for DOTM: it's probably Africa's best-known and busiest national park (a quick Googling says over 500,000 visitors yearly), although the huge size does compensate to some extent. Jpatokal 08:59, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
Okay. It's on the list of things to do! Tim 12:06, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
Since it was posed as a CotW with the statement that it was nominated for Feb 07, I've made it so, but I'm not convinced it's going to get there from a quality perspective. We should keep an eye on it once the CotW editing is done, to be sure that it really is good enough. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:30, 14 September 2006 (EDT)
Not as many people ended up contributing to this when it was COTW as I had hoped, and I will have nowhere near enough time to make this DotM standard, so I think it should be removed from the nominations list until it gets alot more material. It will make a fantastic article though because it is a fantastic place! Tim 13:20, 25 October 2006 (EDT)
OK, it's getting slushed, reluctantly. It would be really nice if someone would make the effort to get it up to standard (and thanks for your tries, Tim) -- we could definitely use a DotM like this. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 10:54, 24 November 2006 (EST)
Has a map, very thorough article and good city to visit. Kingjeff 16:56, 3 March 2006 (EST)
Not bad, but Montreal is too big a city to fit smoothly into a single article. Should be broken into districts and much content moved to same, at which time it should be revisited, as it is indeed a cool place well worthy of being a DotM. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 16:50, 4 March 2006 (EST)
There seems to be no current advocacy for this one, nor any move to address the issues. Can it be slushed? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:44, 17 May 2006 (EDT)
I don't agree that Montreal needs to be split into districts, as the districts are not familiar to many travellers. Better to keep all of the content on Montreal, this is great content, for all to discover.
Most people would associate Munich with September, because of Oktoberfest, but I think it would be great for the month of June/July.
Nominated by Sapphire 13:42, 18 Apr 2005 (EDT)
Nomination withdrawn until August is debated, so I have time to put in districts. Sapphire 16:52, 19 Apr 2005 (EDT)
I would suggest tightening up the formatting a little better (according to the wikitravel guidelines) and improving the grammar. --User:kenliu
Support for March.Kingjeff 21:06, 31 Jan 2006 (EST)
Would August be unreasonable? Gives enough time to make plans for Oktoberfest. Yes, the formatting and grammar could use some work, but there's plenty of time for that and the content is in good shape already. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 08:59, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)
I would like to get 1 location in before FIFA World Cup. Kingjeff 23:26, 2 Feb 2006 (EST)
Is there anyway we can bump Munich up to May? Kingjeff 22:10, 7 Feb 2006 (EST)
Districting is not complete, there is still some duplication and most of the districts don't follow the template. Even the main page is a bit odd. Jpatokal 02:23, 8 Feb 2006 (EST)
Does all the districts really need to be there? Kingjeff 19:42, 8 Feb 2006 (EST)
They don't all need to be filled up, but they should at least be formatted correctly, and all sights/destinations should be in the right place. Jpatokal 01:29, 9 Feb 2006 (EST)
Considering how great this would be for Sep/Oct, I think it should probably wait. --Evan 10:28, 27 February 2006 (EST)
Is there any German city we can nominate and have a ligitimate chance of gettin the DOTM before June? Kingjeff 21:21, 27 February 2006 (EST)
Berlin is already nominated: contentwise it's there, it just needs a lot of grunt work to district properly... so if you want to see it as DOTM, get to work =) Jpatokal 23:52, 27 February 2006 (EST)
Districting needs work. Few attractions have locations or phone numbers listed -- just websites. Too little Manual-of-style. Looks like a slush pile entry to me -- and then renominate when someone thinks it's ready rather than nominating an article that would we all wish was ready. -- Colin 18:46, 20 March 2006 (EST)
Anyone object to placing Munich in the slush pile? I doubt few people will have a signifcant problem with MoS, with the exception being the clubs and discos. The districts are coming together, but Thalkirchen sucks. Haidhausen and Olympic area could be better. Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 17:12, 18 May 2006 (EDT)
Looks like a fairly good article. Could be a little more MoSie and a few more sleep listings. Plus, it's summer there in November, December 2006. Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 00:01, 20 May 2006 (EDT)
I don't think it's quite there yet. "See" and "Understand" both need significant work, and significant info is missing on some of the entries. Every reason to believe it could be put into DotM shape by (austral) summer, though. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 23:40, 31 May 2006 (EDT)
The most visted tourist destitnation in New Zealand. The Weather is generally good. But the summer monthes are preferable. Rotorua is home to the world famous geysers and thermal mud pools, it also the home to zorbing. basically Rotorua is a great place if you want extreme sports OR if you are more interested in relaxing it has many great spas with the mineral from the thermal pools.
Please read #Nominate above. Destination of the month is a way to feature the best Wikitravel articles, and this does not meet that criteria. -- Ryan 19:28, 18 October 2006 (EDT)
Oppose. Article is not up to snuff for DotM: for example, the Sleep section has only one hotel.
Oppose, but a question: just how big and developed is the place? If it's OTBP-size, the article is really not that far from ready. As far as I can tell, the entire Rotorua district has a population of only 50,000 or so, which means that it (1) may be appropriate for OTBP and (2) might not have to have that much information added to become comprehensive. Still will need lots of MoS work, though. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:41, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
This one doesn't seem to be getting legs. Any objections to slush-piling it? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:24, 3 December 2006 (EST)
[edit] Salzburg
Salzburg (city)- Salzburg would be good for May 2008 since Austria is a co-host for Euro 2008.
Listings need to be MoS'd. The Eat, Drink and Sleep listings also need more details (addresses, prices etc). Jpatokal 23:55, 1 Jan 2006 (EST)
Needs understand section plus some additional info mentioned above. Kingjeff 00:39, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)
Guide article, I've added lots of images and some more information. / Adestro
It's close, but a go/no-go decision should be made as to the use of districts. There is a big long section that lays the districts out as sub-articles, but no district articles exist yet, let alone have any content. Either use 'em or purge 'em. Some copyediting would also be useful, but nothing major. Your added photos are certainly nice. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:53, 25 February 2006 (EST)
Yeah, I agree. I added that section just before posting this nomination. Perhaps we should wait until the districts have been done, I don't live in Stockholm so I'm unable to contribute to them. /Adestro 15:26, 26 February 2006 (EST)
Torino for February 2006. Torino is hosting the 2006 Winter Olympic Games and it would be an excellent DotM for Feb. Our coverage of Torino right now is so-so but I bet if we put our minds to it we could really get it cooking. --Evan 00:09, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)
Good choice. But more info is needed before it'll get picked. Kingjeff
Support. I realize I've already supported Hangzhou, but the Winter Olympics are just too good a tie-in. If we can pull the article together, would others supprot Torino for Feb? I'll put together a list of what needs to get done. Majnoona 14:45, 29 Jan 2006 (EST)
Do not support. This is a perfect example of why a longer lead time is desirable for DotM. There is too much left to do on the article on the spur of the moment, and in any event, it's far too late to be able to use this page for travel for the Olympics, since lodging in particular will be nearly impossible to find at this late date. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 15:09, 29 Jan 2006 (EST)
Against. I agree completely with Bill, it's way too late for Torino. I wouldn't mind nudging it onto the Main Page though... but in the meantime, time to start polishing up Vancouver for 2010? Jpatokal 07:14, 31 Jan 2006 (EST)
Agree about the Main Page, and we do have the 2008 Olympics coming before Vancouver... -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:18, 31 Jan 2006 (EST)
It would be nice to in some way feature Torino during the Olympics, but I agree that it's too late to make it DOTM. -- Ryan 21:13, 31 Jan 2006 (EST)
Waitomo Caves is just a 2 hour drive from Auckland. It is home to the famous Waitomo Caves, Glowworms,There are many places to view the glowworms including some where you just take a boat road, to others with a 4 hour walk. Apart from the glowworm there is alot to do in the area including a free Angoran rabbit shearing show. —The preceding comment was added by 220.245.179.131 (talk • contribs) 18 Oct 2006.
Please read #Nominate above, as well as Wikitravel:What is an article?. Destination of the month is a way to feature the best Wikitravel articles, and this does not meet that criteria. -- Ryan 19:28, 18 October 2006 (EDT)
[edit] Stuttgart
Stuttgart- is a beutiful city and will be hosting the World Cup in 2006. So, May would be a good time to put it up as Destination of the Month.
Need pictures, formatting into the standard template and more places to Sleep. Jpatokal 23:20, 11 Dec 2005 (EST)
Are we basing cities on the actual city or based on what wikitravel has? I understand not nominating a city that has little or no information, but you can only go so far with that.
The criteria for choosing a DotM are at the top of this page. --Evan 10:56, 12 Dec 2005 (EST)
[edit] Walnut Creek
Walnut Creek. Lacks a picture, but otherwise a very complete and readable article. --Evan 13:42, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)
While I like this article, I don't think Walnut Creek is a destination per se, especially if Frankfurt was already put into the slush pile as a good article but a less than ideal destination. Walnut Creek might be better used as an example of how to write an interesting article, rather than a destination of the month. -- Ryan 03:37, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)
Ipoh. Good chinese food paradise.
Nominated by Maldini8289 10:47, 14 April 2005 (EST)
No Sleep listings, and needs to be checked carefully because some content is copyvio'd from Wikipedia... Jpatokal 01:48, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT)
The sleep listings are done, the content are not copyvio'd from Wikipedia as it's mainly all edited by me, a local resident. Maldini8289 1:18, 19 May 2005 (EST)
The formatting does not follow the MoS (although I just inserted the standard headings). In particular, the Eat/Drink/Buy listings should cover [i]places[/i] to eat/drink/buy, not things. Of course an intro paragraph for local specialities is great, but the focus of the listing should be on restaurants/bars/shops.
In my honest opinion, the Eat/Drink/Buy listings can't just cover on particular places or restaurants/bars/shops because Ipoh's variety of great food are at many places around the city. Hope that the current listing won't be changed so that many travellers won't miss out these food when they come to Ipoh. Thanks a lot, Jpatokal, for helping to edit. Maldini8289 13:20, 23 May 2005 (EST)
We could say that about most destinations. The idea here is yes, to give travellers some idea of what sort of foods they might find, and point out a couple of local specialties which are not to be missed. The idea of the listings though is provide names and addresses, contact information, opening hours, and a short review of actual places where they can enjoy a nice meal. DOM is a showcase for our best articles. Ipoh seems like a lovely place to visit, but the article just isn't one of our best (yet). We really must have some listings for individual places. Some more images would be nice too. -- Mark 03:46, 23 May 2005 (EDT)
[edit] Frankfurt
Frankfurt
nominated by Mark 04:41, 30 Aug 2004 (EDT)
The museums listings need to be completed at the very least. -- Nils
Good article, but a terribly boring city to visit =) Jpatokal 05:27, 30 Aug 2004 (EDT)
I tend to agree, but didn't want to say it ;-) I guess it depends on what you like. And nobody (yet) said DoM's have to be "exciting". ;-) -- Nils
Ok, let me say it. DoM candidates should be at least interesting, if not exciting. The purpose (I assume) of the DOM is to show off what we have, and tempt new visitors to dig further; showcasing (say) a derelict coal-mining town in the ex-Soviet rust belt is hardly likely to do that. Having said that, my 12 hour experience of Frankfurt doesn't suggest that it is *that* uninteresting. -- Chris j wood 11:36, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)
[edit] Okavango Delta
Okavango Delta
One of the most famous and beautiful places on earth and still no information in wikitravel... Nominated by Fluglotse2000
Uh, this one might fit better on Wikitravel:Articles needing attention, "Destination of the Month" is kinda for showing off the finished (as much as anything is finished on a wiki) guides we're proud of-- usually with some sort of seasonal tie-in. They should really be as complete as possible and Okavango, beautiful as it may be, has a ways to go ;-) Majnoona 11:18, 6 Apr 2005 (EDT)
[edit] South Africa
South Africa - Best place on earth ;-)
Nominated by Fluglotse2000 01/April/2005
Rather big for a destination, I think... can you suggest a specific city/attraction? Jpatokal 05:26, 1 Apr 2005 (EST)
I agree, a city or region would be better. I'll take a look at those suggestions and maybe nominate one of them... Majnoona 11:33, 5 Apr 2005 (EDT)
[edit] United States
United States
Nominated by Rspga49 19:30 (EST) April 4, 2005
That's kinda a vague destination (because it encompasses too many sub-topics) and not a really exciting article. Also, the vast majority of the subregions are stubs. How about choosing a specific and interesting destination within the US, working on its article until it is complete, informative, and interesting, and then nominating that. A DoM article need not be about a famous or important place. It should instead be an interesting destination with a Really Great Article written about it. -- Colin 19:43, 4 Apr 2005 (EDT)
I agree with Colin. Too broad and hard to tie to a season or month. Majnoona 11:33, 5 Apr 2005 (EDT)
[edit] London
London
Nominated by Rspga49 16:09 October 17, 2004 (EDT)
A great article I think everyone would agree-- when's a good month? Majnoona 01:45, 30 Oct 2004 (EDT)
Currently, London sufferes from linkitis — the use of web links instead of trivial stuff like descriptions, directions, addresses and phone numbers. Needs cleanup first. -- Colin 21:33, 10 Mar 2005 (EST)
[edit] San Francisco
San Francisco
Nominated by Chip 10:14, 18 Jul 2004 (EDT)
Support with two caveats: the Districts section should give brief summaries of what to expect, and the picture needs a little work (poorly scanned?) Jpatokal 11:15, 18 Jul 2004 (EDT)
I think San Francisco needs some cleanup work. --Evan 20:06, 18 Jul 2004 (EDT)
[edit] Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park
Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park (Australia)
Having tried in vain to find a good African article, how about this one from Australia. It has a couple of good pictures, and good text. And I can vouch from personal experience that it is a fascinating place if you have never seen the 'Red Center' before -- Chris j wood 21:46, 5 Sep 2004 (EDT)
Not bad contentwise, but needs a little cleanup. Some listings are also quite stubby (just the name with no content). Jpatokal 01:24, 6 Sep 2004 (EDT)
Agreed, too unfinnished. -- Nils
I'm slowly working on this one (I don't think it's ready yet), so people may want to check back over the next month or two. It's probably not a good southern summer destination anyway: humid and rainy. -- Hypatia 22:36, 28 Nov 2004 (EST)
[edit] Atlanta
Atlanta
Nominated by Rspga49 18:00 October 1, 2004 (EDT)
There's a lot missing from Atlanta before it really can be considered. E.g. there is no Sleep, Drink, Stay Safe, Picture,.... Keep up the good work and try to get it into shape before nominating it. Have a look at the current destination of the month or previous destinations to get an idea of what we're looking for. -- Colin 18:23, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)
[edit] Valdosta
Valdosta
Nominated by Rspga49 17:50 October 1, 2004 (EDT)
Valdosta appears to be composed of two kinds of things that need work: 1) empty sections and 2) sections whose listings are not formatted in the Manual of Style manner and also one section (Get out) which is not really a list of interesting places you might go to get out of town (it's just a list of nearby cities).Keep up the good work and try to get it into shape before nominating it. Have a look at the current destination of the month or previous destinations to get an idea of what we're looking for. -- Colin 18:23, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)
[edit] Upgraded articles
This section is for articles that were formerly slushpiled, but have been promoted back to DotM-candidate status as the objections were addressed. Looking at some of these articles, in particular their histories, might give you some ideas about getting things on the current slushpile into usable condition. Note: If you add items to this list, please try to keep them in alphabetical, rather than chronological, order, for ease in sorting through the material.
[edit] Berlin
Berlin- Berlin would be good for May 2006 since FIFA World Cup Germany will be there. kingjeff
I support Berlin for February 2006. Kingjeff 23:45, 1 Jan 2006 (EST)
Berlin's division into districts is badly incomplete, with tons of duplication and most info still listed only on the main page. Jpatokal 23:55, 1 Jan 2006 (EST)
It's listed on the main page. It's a very thorough article. I don't think it's as bad as you think it is. It's a good article and a good city to visit. I think any traveller can pretty much fill there vacation to Berlin with this information. Kingjeff 00:21, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)
Do not support. This article is badly in need of breaking into districts, precisely as Jpatokal says. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:56, 13 Jan 2006 (EST)
Do not support. But I think as soon as the district issue is taken care of it should be revisited. Majnoona 11:53, 15 Feb 2006 (EST)
Re-slushed following 2007 discussion; see above. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:57, 9 April 2007 (EDT)
Attractive city with lots to see. The articles are good now and the pictures are really good too. -- DanielC 16:59, 9 Jun 2005 (EDT)
I've been to Budapest in January, and it's not much fun then (except maybe ice-skating and mulled wine at Varosliget). I would be all in favor of a springtime nomination though. Jpatokal 03:40, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)
2 or 3 sections needs to be done. kingjeff 00:35, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)
[edit] La Paz
La Paz - South American (see above). Quite a small article, but information in each of the categories. DanielC 08:19, 4 Nov 2005 (EST)
Indeed, a little short but otherwise OK. Not sure we need South America now though, as we just had the Falklands... Jpatokal 02:31, 16 Nov 2005 (EST)
Not eligible due to article status. kingjeff 00:35, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)
The above issues appear to have been addressed, and it's been re-added as a DotM candidate. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:08, 24 November 2006 (EST)
A historic highway in the United States, Route 66 has been a classic itinerary for years, and user Rt66lt has been making huge strides with this article. Probably best if featured between April and October when there isn't snow anywhere along the route.
Nominated by Ryan 14:24, 10 Sep 2005 (EDT)
Support contentwise, but this needs better pictures — one good enough to showcase on the front page, and others to liven up the text. Some maps would also come in very handy. Jpatokal 16:16, 10 Sep 2005 (EDT)
Maps and pictures now in place (I'd use the "Cadillac Ranch" photo to illustrate the article), so it's back on the nominee list. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:22, 24 November 2006 (EST)
[edit] Swansea
Swansea for October 2005 as this is an especially exciting month to visit Wales' City by the Sea: The US$60 million National Waterfront Museum opens its doors on October 17 [1]. Also, the city will host the annual Swansea Festival of Music and the Arts from September 30 to October 22 (the second largest festival of its kind in the UK) [2], from October 1 to 9 the Swansea Fringe will bring festivity and entertainment to the streets of city after a twenty year absence, and finally The Dylan Thomas Centre in the city will reverberate to the sound of Thomas' poetry and prose during the annual Dylan Thomas festival, which runs from October 27 to November 9.
Support. Could use a couple more pictures, and "Media" isn't a standard header, but otherwise very nice. DOTM for October sounds reasonable unless Munich gets re-nominated. -- Ryan 03:37, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)
Oppose, half-heartedly. The solitary picture just isn't good enough, and we just had Winchester in July, so it's a bit early for the UK to come again. The formatting is also a bit off in many parts. Jpatokal 00:22, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)
These objections seem to have been addressed; it's now not only back in the Candidates list, but apparently heading for DotM in July 07. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:06, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
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